Saturday, September 08, 2007

Why non-Indian women prefer to marry than just date Indian men?

In the comments to my post on Indian men and Inter-racial dating, a reader calling himself hopefloats, wrote this in his comment:
3. dating->marriage - In many posts non-indian women quote "oh..indian men are not into marrying non-indian women..so we dont date them".
Even if we assume this is true..I dont understand why this is a big deal for non-indian women in US/Canada.Most of them anyways have multiple relationships/marriages before they settle down with their final partner. Here are the possible reasons
a) either it's a politicall correct cover for the ethnic/racial non-preference.
b) or, only for marriage, they want indian men..not for dating/having-fun.

Both Indian and non-Indian women quite frequently have this complaint about Indian men - that they date and 'have fun' with women from different nationalities and ethnicities, but when it comes to marriage, they prefer Indian women. It is as if Indian men are held to a standard where they are supposed to date only those women whom they might marry.

The reality is that most people in the world have a double-standard about whom they will date casually versus whom they will choose for a serious relationship like marriage. Men and women who date and have flings, may do so with a variety people. But for marriage, they will have specific preferences and expectations in the potential partner. So, they won't just marry anybody whom they might date. If casual dating is your thing, there is nothing wrong in having such differing preferences - it is practical and pragmatic.

I think that we hear complaints about this 'double-standard' quite often about Indian men from non-Indian women for two reasons. These reasons are somewhat different from those listed in hopefloat's comment above (I'm not saying I agree or disagree with his comment). The reasons I have in mind are:

1. Those who are affected are the ones who'll speak up more. The non-Indian women who genuinely fell for the Indian men and/or who were hoping to have a serious relationship with Indian men, are the ones most affected by Indian men preferring Indian women for marriage. So, obviously, they are the ones we hear from more. The women who are only dating Indian men casually are not too bothered by this, because hey, they are only in it for the fun. So, we don't hear anything positive or negative from them.

2. I suspect that there are not too many non-Indian women dating Indian men casually, just for fun. I don't have scientific data or statistics to backup my claim. However, it is common experience that most young people are not usually into experimenting with foreign stuff - even in matters such as food and entertainment. Young people usually prefer stuff they have grown up around, are familiar with. We are not done fully experiencing and experimenting with familiar stuff until we are almost into our 30's. Only after that, we start to look at what else is out there. So, by the time non-Indian women start to look at what else is out there and discover that interesting Indian man, they are past the phase of casual fun and are at an age when they want something more serious out of relationships.

There are no doubt exceptions to what I have stated above, but it is true for the most part. Reading the comments on this blog under posts such as Indian men and Inter-racial dating and Dating Indian Men II does show that most non-Indian women who are interested in Indian men are at a later stage in life when they are more interested in settling down in a serious relationship or marriage, than in just dating and having flings.

71 comments:

  1. Hi! What you posted is true re: double standard that (some) Indian men have regarding the women they date and the woman they will eventually marry. I am a non-Indian girl who was in a relationship with an Indian man for 7 months. I seriously fell for this guy and I had hopes that we would eventually settle down. I know that nothing is ever certain in this world and that not all romantic relationships end in marriage. However, it really pained me to learn that this guy had not even the slightest intention or desire to marry me, that he was in fact not even remotely considering it.

    I found out that he had a girlfriend in India--and that they had plans to marry! He was carrying on a long-distance relationship with the girl THE ENTIRE TIME HE WAS WITH ME. I found out because he confessed...I guess his conscience began to bother him...He confessed, telling me that he has broken up with the girl--and that he was also ending things with me. A few days later, this guy comes crawling back to me asking me to be his gf. But his proposal came with a caveat: He said he wanted me to continue to be his gf, but I must understand that he can never marry me--just because I'm a foreigner and would never fit in (according to him) with Indian society. How cruel is that? Is this guy a jerk or what?

    Sorry to blather on about my love life...It just kills me that this guy whom I loved so much never even gave me a f*****g chance.

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  2. Hi Janice,

    I totally empathize with you. For the past year, I've been involved with an Indian man who I am crazy about. As soon as we'd start growing close, he'd push me away...come back, resulting in this cycle that I didn't quite understand. Finally, when we had a discussion about where our relationship was headed he told me that as much as he loves being with me, the probability of him committing to me was very low. He grew up in a traditional family and also has a huge Indian network that he's kept me isolated from. If there were introductions, it would be considered a huge "announcement" and most Indian guys won't bring a girl around unless he's pretty sure she's marriage material. I'm considered a "cultural taboo" because I'm white, four years older, divorced and my parents are divorced (gasp!).

    I think with both of our Indian guys, there was probably an intention of not getting too close to us early on. They can't be blamed for wanting companionship and sex (c'mon, they're guys!) but they became attracted and fell in a little deeper than they had planned, and now it sucks for everyone. Your guy should've been up front about the girl in India and honest about keeping it casual. The reason he didn't is because he knew you probably wouldn't date him. So he decided that he'd have an American girlfriend, peacefully part ways when the time was right and then tie the knot with his Indian fiance. The end. Um wait, I forgot life isn't so simple.

    So you need to make a choice. The gut-wrenching, anxiety inducing, painful decision of continuing to see him on his terms, or to cut it off completely. I tried the latter and both of us broke down and gravitated back to each other. I love having him in my life and we feel deeply connected...you know, how a relationship should feel. But you can't change tradition, and at the end of the day Indians will often marry someone who is a good fit on paper. And yes, this also includes "brown skin". Of course, there are exceptions...but it's rarely worth the scrutiny and criticism by family members.

    My Indian guy and still see each other casually, once every two weeks or so. We're both trying to move on and find appropriate partners for ourselves and enjoy the time left together. Ernest Hemingway once said "All true stories end in death." There's nothing more painful than cutting something short you truly love and enjoy. At least you have the freedom to love freely towards any race or relgion...and don't have any societal or familial pressures (I'm assuming, anyway). It's hard, but don't count on him coming around...and if he does, that's great. Once it's over, just think of the global pool of men that YOU get to choose from!

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  3. Janice and american girl - I am really sorry about the hurt that both of you have gone through. It is especially painful to hurt in love. A word of unsoliciated advice to both of you: If a relationship is not working or giving you what you truly want, it is better to cut it off cold and move on. If you just keep it around because you are not able to let go or because it gives some temporary warmth and comfort right now, realize that it might be preventing you from moving on and getting what you really want and deserve.

    American girl - I have to commmend you for the maturity and understanding of Indian men's compulsions that is evident in your comment.

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  4. This blog is just great. All of you guys are in a similar situation that I'm in, and all of you seem to be very mature and open-minded in how you are handling it.

    Janice, I am so sorry that your Indian boyfriend treated you that way, but it seems like you are trying very hard to be the bigger person. In your situation I would have a very hard time not being extremely angry. My hat is off to you. I am soon to be divorced, and have asked for him to introduce me to family/friends (his not wanting to introduce me to family I can understand), but friends is another matter. He keeps doing this "reel me in" and then "push me away" deal that is getting really old.

    Here is my story with an Indian man!!

    I met the Indian man online 2-3 months ago. I am recently separated from my husband (white), and the marriage was long over. This Indian man I met was loving, accepting, kind and fun to be around. It did not take me long to fall completely in love with him. He is romantic, intelligent and very much sent me the indication that he was just as in love with me as I was with him.

    His parents tried to arrange him a marriage about 2 months into our relationship. He successfully revolted against them and got out of it. He says that (even though our relationship is so young) he disobeyed his parents because he loves me and wants to see where things with us will go. Things had just gotten back on track, with him suggesting that I meet his parents within the next few months and his expressing the desire to meet mine. Many things that he has said and done indicate that he is serious about where we are headed.

    Now, he has accepted a very lucrative business deal in New Jersey (we live in Virginia). He is due to move there in 6 months. He broke off our relationship, stating that he loves me and wants to date me, but he wants to move to NJ with no emotional attachments. He does not want emotional attachments to interfere with his doing his new job - and states that he will have no time for anyone (he works a lot now as it is). He states he does not want me "sacrificing" for him (should our relationship progress in the next 6 months) and insists that it won't work. Of course, all of that is contradictory to everything he's ever told me.

    He also admits that he feels I've moved too fast. I think that's bullshit, because he was all about being with me and dating me and participated fully in our "pace." In fact, he was the first one to say "I love you." I would have to agree with Janice that these men probably end up falling a little deeper in love than they intended - but he has always said that he does not like Indian women and that he would prefer to settle down with a white woman.

    So I can't decide if he's getting cold feet, or if there's more to this than what he is telling me. The thought has crossed my mind that perhaps he did not get out of the arranged marriage as he said he did, but that now it is "final" and so he is breaking it off. The other thought I had was that he thought about it and decided that given the cultural issues he can't deal with someone who is so totally American, and this "moving to NJ" bullshit is just a cop-out. I have expressed a willingness to be flexible on culture, and have demonstrated that I am open-minded and have read up on things.

    I tend to be reactive on impulse, but I'm not sure if I should be patient in this circumstance and give him some time to think it through - or if I should just move on. He may be commitment phobic and not sure what he wants to do. He's yanked me around so much, and is very apologetic for it, but I am confused as to why he suddenly has cut it off because of moving, especially since he has always said, "If both people want something, nothing is insurmountable." It's the mixed messages that keep me confused!!!!

    Any thoughts or input? Is this a case of cold feet, or a case of wimp? Thanks folks. For now, I am leaving him be and I'm not taking his phone calls. On the other hand, I don't want to ignore him, because I am getting very angry at his wishy-washiness. If I had some confirmation that he has been stringing me along, all fury and hell would break loose. I'm trying to reign that in until I have a clear idea of what is going on.

    Something just occurred to me: I'm blogging about this shit. Perhaps that is an indicator that I am sucked in and just need to say FUCK YOU! - it's over. Am I being too hasty on that?

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  5. Emily,

    Your story has all the classic ingredients of a mixed-up relationship. The fact that guy is an Indian is just one of the many factors. Not knowing him, you and your situation personally, it is very hard to make any meaningful comments. I mean, what's happening could be any one of the following, or a combination thereof:

    1. Second thoughts about the relationship after the initial rush.

    2. Classic male cold-feet after the relationship gets me serious.

    3. Indian hesitations about taking a big step with a person from a different culture.

    4. Or, heck, like you said, he probably has not gotten out of the arranged marriage situation. He probably did not lie to you about this, but it is possible.

    Whatever the reason, it looks like he is not in a mood to get into anything serious with you right now. So, you may choose to keep things casual and suffer (cuz your own feelings are not casual), or you may move on.

    Hope that helps.

    LL

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  6. Great response, LL, and thank you for it. The update on the situation is that I have completely backed off. The result: he has been actively pursuing me, calling, texting. Most recently, he called and said, "I want to take out to dinner one last time." When he calls, it's "I love you" and "I miss you" and blah blah blah. I just say "thank you" and don't feed into it, and don't say it back. He also wants to be "friends" even though we are no longer dating. Um, what?

    My friend thinks he is in love with me, as all the indicators point to it, but that he can't deal with intimacy/commitment. She thinks he's been scared off, but my recent distance has made him think twice - but that he's too noble/proud/whatever to tell me he wants me back.

    A good theory, and one that makes me feel good, but I just don't know what to do. There is nothing I really CAN do, I guess.

    I've agreed to go out to dinner with him next week (he said, "you pick the place/time") and as he lives an hour away he is going out of his way.

    My other theory is that he just feels guilty for involving me in this Bollywood drama.

    Whatevs. I'm irritated about it, but unfortunately he's found a place in my heart.

    I'm irritated at myself for giving a shit at this point!!!

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  7. Hi Emily, I really feel bad for your situation and I want to leave a note with my sympathies and a few thoughts on this situation. I have been in a relationship with an indian man for several years and we are getting married very soon. Throughout the past years I have been good friends with most of his friends and I've seen the good and the bad. I am in no way an authority on this topic, but I would like to tell you my point of view. Like all men in general Indian men are the same, some are good guys and some aren't. One situation I have seen more than once (more than I like to think about) is an Indian man dating an American woman with no real intention of staying with her. Sometimes they are very proud of themselves for having fun with these woman, a lot of time they really do have feelings for them, but they ultimately know it cannot be permanent, usually citing culture as the reason. The guys that do have feelings for these women will stay with them as long as it is convenient, but when something comes up (like they finish school and move away or get another job and move away) they take that opportunity to break up with the girl. I don't want to imply that only Indian men use women, all men do this (and women too for that matter), but I'm relating what I've seen first hand. I'm not saying that you are in that situation, but regardless of whether you think this man is in love with you or not, he isn't enough in love with you to stick with you and if he is being weak now he will be much stronger when his parents arrange his marriage (they have never stopped trying to, even if he said no). Please just move on with your life, if you are attracted to Indian men or culture, there are plenty of extremely great Indian men out there that could be nice to you, but I would also suggest there are many american, latino, european, or asian men who would be great. Don't waste your time or your feelings on a wishy-washy man. And on the dinner he is taking you on please, please, please, don't be weak and end up in an intimate situation, b/c I have also seen one man ask his girlfriend he was dumping out for one last dinner in the hopes of getting something (yep, he is indian), with no intention of ever seeing her again. I saw this particular man date this girl for almost 4 years while he was in graduate school, and then he graduated and got a job and promptly dumped this girl, saying his parents were against them (eventhough he never told his parents she existed). He stated to all of his friends (including my boyfriend) that he had no intention of staying with her, he just wanted someone to have fun with while he was studying, that it was really easy to get rid of her by using his family and Indian culture as an excuse, a lot of his friends not only were appalled by this, they go out of their way to avoid him now. Please be careful, with any man that behaves the way your man is behaving.

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  8. Hi Emily!

    I totally emphatize with you. Your ex-boyfriend and my ex could be twins!!!!

    Following the advice of friends (and LL's), I decided to end things with my wuss of a boyfriend. Now he is wooing me back, calling/texting/being all lovey dovey on the phone/dangling the prospect of a shared future. However, I'm not rising to the bait...I don't reciprocate when he says he loves me or misses me,and I no longer entertain notions that we could have a life together. I have resolved to go cold turkey---but unfortunately, completely cutting off someone you love is easier said than done. I'm trying my darn best to move on, though. Letting go is a process after all, a process that needs working at each and every day.

    Take heart in what Stacy and American Girl said, Emily. There are plenty of fish in the sea! Why should we settle for wishy washy, selfish men who only want to stay with us for as long as it is convenient for them? Whenever I feel down and remember my ex-boyfriend's lying, cheating ways, I just say to myself that I'm a great person and I deserve someone infinitely better, someone who will love me wholeheartedly and without reservations, someone who will say "I love you" and who is actually prepared to to back up that declaration of love with commitment, someone who sees me in his future, not just in the present. You should tell yourself that too...it works most of the time ;) It's our ex-boyfriends' loss, not ours!

    Oh by the way, I just realized that maybe it's easier for me to quit my bf because I am in Singapore and he is now in Florida. The distance, in my case, is proving to be helpful. (But you know earlier, I was inconsolable after my ex-bf moved to the US. I was even planning to pursue my MBA in the US just to be close to him! Luckily, I did not realign my life plans for such an undeserving fella.) The distance between you and your ex could be a blessing in disguise for you as well.

    All the best to you Emily! And to you too American Girl! Staci, congrats on your impending wedding. And kudos to you Libran Lover for such an insightful blog.

    Cheers,

    Janice

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  9. hmm...

    thx for the detailed reply to my post.

    i agree with your point 1.

    point 2: it made me think.
    i agree that with age, the acceptance level increases. But young people not liking foreign stuff is not always true. young people like experimenting more than older people.

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  10. I feel sorry for all those non-indian women who's relationship did not work out very well with indian men.

    3 of my good friends have dated and married american women. They sure have to deal with nits of mixed-race marriage but they are handling it OK..i guess. So there are surely some indian men who are broad-minded as well as good character.

    quite a few of my indian friends (including me) just want to date indian/non-indian women for fun. the issue is not with the women but the marriage.
    i am OK with this as long as both partners keep their intentions informed.

    dating someone just for fun..and giving them the hope of marriage/love - is not right. I know some indian men do that. They do that with indian women as well.

    good luck to everyone to get what they want/need.

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  11. Hello everyone I have been reading these post and have gained much insight on dating Indian Men. My situation is a little different I have been somewhat seeing an indian man who has been living in the states since he was a baby, I am an african american. He appears to be a sweet, caring, & honest guy who is also very sucessful and I do have hopes that maybe theres something between us but after hearing the stories I am now leary of taking a chance. I am divorced but I don't have any kids which is also something that hinders me. I am not divorced by choice I was married 8 years and within the last year of our marriage my ex cheated and pretty much made it clear that it was not my fault it was his and that he loved her and actually married her before we even divorced so I pretty much didn't have a choice. I don't want to take a chance on this man and end up heartbroken AGAIN but at the same time I think there may be something between us. Is there any circumstances that this guy will accept me as a divorced woman giving my circumstances or should I just not waste my time?

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  12. I have commented on this blog before and saw an indian comedian the other day, what he said was so funny, but it could be true, I would love feedback from LL or other indian men on how they feel about this. The funniest aspect of the show was the joke about indian mens very high opinion of themselves. He gave an example of what an indian man would say on a dating/marriage website. It doesn't matter what this man looks like(his example was a 39 yr old chemical engineer with buck teeth and no hair) he will give the longest list of demands he "needs" in a wife, including long hair, big eyes, light skinned, large dowry, etc...the point being no matter who he is he thinks he's a "catch". After catching my breath from all the laughing (he did the impression of the chemical engineer) I stopped and realized that it was so funny b/c in my experience it is true. It is really interesting to see the men who are of different shapes sizes and skin tone commenting on the "applicants" for their wife, they are brutal. I have met some of the smartest indian men, the smartest of all these (after my boyfriend) does not comment on women and is very respectful, also very humble about himself (maybe 10 percent of the ones I know). Then there are these with such a high opinion of not only their intelligence but their physical appearance that it does make one wonder who filled their head with this crap? I also find the ones with the highest opinion have the least reason to believe this stuff (this is true for americans too, but we're here to talk about Indian men). So, my question is, what in the world makes any indian man have such a high opinion of himself regardless of his education, job, what he makes, how he looks, or personality...do their mothers tell them they are great? Also when you meet a particularly infuriating indian man, specifically one who thinks he is not only smarter than you (a lowly woman), but also knows more about your field of study than you do, what is the best way to put him in his place...I tried just demonstrating my intelligence, ultimately making him look bad, but it doesn't seem to make the point. Anyway, these are just interesting things that I wanted to share. Not hate mail from the men, one of you're own betrayed you first!

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  13. Stacy,

    What the Indian comedian and you say about Indian male personals/ads is actually true of personals in general - Indian or otherwise, male or female. For example, in American personals, fat women describe themselves as BBW (big, beautiful woman) regardless of how fat and ugly they are, overweight ones describe themselves as HWP (height-weight proportional), and merely average ones describe themselves as being athletic or having a great figure.

    It is common human tendency to exaggerate personal qualities when presenting themselves for jobs or prospective mates. Heck, this tendency is exhibited even by animals and birds. Only the specific manner in which the exaggeration is exhibited differs among species and cultures.

    Another thing about Indian guys is that... in the marriage market, most Indian guys are indeed 'a catch'. This is the opposite of the conditions in the American dating market. In the American dating market, most women except the truly repulsive ones, can have a few men running behind them. An average American woman can go to any singles places or online forums, and if she presents herself right, she can have men competing for her, admiring her, making her feel special, wanting to take her home. The opposite is true in the Indian marriage market, where any average guy with a steady income can find scores of families treating him with respect and trying to get their daughter married to him. In these situations, you cannot blame either the average American woman or the average Indian man for acting pricey.

    How to treat Indian men who think too highly of themselves? Just accept that they are the lord and master, and act suitably submissive. Everything will be okay. Just kidding! Heh-heh! Seriously though, handling egoistic Indian men should not be too different from handling such American men. When it comes to some things like ego, sex, etc. men are the same all over the world.

    Hope that helps.

    LL

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  14. Janice/Stacy/Emily-

    I enjoyed reading your posts and can relate to your stories. LL- thanks again for such a wonderful blog and for your words of wisdom. I have some new thoughts about dating Indian men, dating in general, and an update on my situation that's ended in the least optimal outcome.

    So, I think for guys in general who date, they feel less of a timeline to establish a relationship and commit. Women automatically assume that guys are on the same page: that by being in a relationship, you're going down a road that will ultimately lead to marriage. We truly have an ingrained DNA driven biological clock and we're not going to waste our time with someone who is not "marriage material". Guys on the other hand, can spend years with a woman, with marriage being the farthest thing from his mind. Women have a window of opportunity to have children but men don't feel that same pressure, and therefore in no hurry to tie the knot.

    Where many Indian men come into the equation, like the case with my Indian guy, there is no rush to settle down, but when that does occur, they'd prefer an Indian woman. Perhaps for some, they avoid Indian women until they're ready to settle down. It's hard to change this mindset, and certainly when my guy and I were together he wavered back and forth on the issue. Ultimately, this preference for an Indian woman always comes back around. Even if it's not a big issue with the guy, he's got his mother and grandmother calling him every week asking when he's going to marry a nice Indian girl. So even if he loves his white girlfriend, the family and cultural pressure piles up and the easiest thing to do is to just succumb to what's expected of him. Many Indian men are mama's boys, including mine, who told me that if his mother ever met me that she would be super sweet, but then in private, tell him that I am not an appropriate girl for him. Not only did I not meet his mother during the year that we were together, she didn't even know I existed. His justification was that he wasn't sure if he wanted to marry me yet, and he didn't feel comfortable bringing a girl home unless he felt pretty sure that they were in it for the long haul. It was just an excuse- the intention to marry me was never there.

    I think a good solution to the Indian dating dilemma is to identify how open an Indian guy is to being seriously involved with a non-Indian person, and how influential his family is. Do this within the first couple of dates and definitely find out before getting intimate. I would seriously cut and run if he said something like "My family is trying to arrange a marriage for me." It's hard to cut off feelings that creep up even if you're trying to be casual, so best to not continue with a guy who sends up any red flags.

    As for my update, I last posted my comment a couple months ago saying that my Indian guy and I had broken up due to the all the cultural and familial issues, but remained friends and lovers. Shortly thereafter, he called to tell me that he started dating someone Indian and that we probably shouldn't talk as often (limiting it to every three or four weeks). I understood and honored the request. By the next time we spoke, they had already met each other's parents and had entered into an exclusive relationship. Rather than getting to know her first, I felt that she had been "pre-approved" based on her glowing checklist of qualifications, success and education. As you can imagine, it was pretty devastating to hear from the man who told me on a regular basis how connected he feels to me, considers me one of his best friends and has never been more attracted to anyone in his life. I know for me, these are the key elements that I look for in a boyfriend.

    But I'm not Indian, so I try to "get it."

    So after his big news, I started to get back out there and date, hang out with friends and move on with my life. Then he calls and says he misses my friendship, and can we talk more? After several long conversations spanning a couple of weeks, I think maybe he's realizing how special our relationship is and perhaps my not being Indian is not a deal-breaker after all. Nope. He's decided that he's not attracted to his new Indian girlfriend and asks if we can still be lovers..."You know, it would be like indulging in dessert every once in a while." What??? I tell him "I don't think it's a good idea" in the most diplomatic way, but feel...what are the proper words here...emotionally repulsed? Enraged? He's immediately given her everything I've wanted emotionally, and now he wants me to be his mistress three months into his new relationship. It is my worst nightmare (and the Indian girl's worst nightmare, if she only knew).

    LL- a question for you: since so many Indian men have arranged marriages, do you think infidelity is more prevalent in Indian culture? I've had my share of hitched Indian men come onto me, plus Craig's List personals seems to have quite a few married Indian men looking for casual affairs.

    In my situation, as with the others...we need to protect ourselves emotionally. As women, I think we're nurturing, giving and want think that men have the best intentions with us, which is not always the case.

    There is something Oprah wrote a long time ago, that I return to when I need a reminder of what love is supposed to look like:

    Relationships built on real love feels good. It isn't selfish; it doesn't cause you anxiety. When someone loves you, he understands that you're lovable just because you're here. How he treats you underscores that understanding. Yes, a relationship requires work. But if it's healthy, it should bring you happiness not just some of the time but most of the time. It should never require losing your voice, your self-respect or your dignity. And whether you're 25 or 65 it should involve bringing all of who you are to the table- and walking away with even more. I know for sure in the final analysis of your lives...the only thing that will have any lasting value is whether we've loved others and whether they've loved us.

    To those of you who are in similar situations- good luck and stay strong!

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  15. To start with....hats off to LL. Ur blogs r great! (read the "Dating Indian Men" blogs too). Lots of interesting comments here.

    I agree with LL to some extent, women in America generally like to settle with an Indian guy when they are close to 30s, when they want to settle down, they are tired of looking around ("and having fun") and want some security and stability in life.

    An advice to all women dating Indian guys:
    1. At your first date tell him your expectations (LTR, marriage or fun). Even if would lie to you he knows you aren't into games
    2. If he is from India in US (like me, not a US citizen) it would be great if you have good education, a good job or atleast strong prospects of it. Indians guys have obligations to their parents and family wherein they have to support them. And financial stability and success is very important to them. You oughta know where you are going in life.
    3. If you are older than him, have kids or are divorced and he neither has kids nor has been ever married, just forget abt it. 98% chances he won't marry u.
    4. Most important - insist on he introducing you to his friends and family (phone, email, chat whatever). If he can't introduce you as his friend (or girlfriend) he will never introduce you as his "would be" either.

    Though I am repeating what LL has already said in his blogs just felt like putting it in my words. It really hurts to see so many good women post ads on CL, kinda disheartening. Marriage fail so much in US because people aren't satisfied with what they have, they have lofty expectations and aren't willing to make sacrifices.

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  16. Does anyone else hear "I Will Survive" playing in the background?

    ~Grinning ear-to-ear~

    Go ahead, go to your iTunes and download a copy of it..You will feel humungously better.

    I love the version by Cake btw.

    Ta Ta...we will survive.

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  17. SAGE,

    That's some sensible no-nonsense comment from you. Just the night before you posted this comment, I was thinking of doing a new post on this blog with almost those very words.

    By now I have heard from a LOT of women who are in unequal relationships with Indian men and wonder why it's not working. I feel bad for them cuz love and relationships can be tough, and I don't want to see anybody go through such pains. But don't they see all the other non-cultural differences which are glaringly apparent? Granted that the culture is one big difference. However, even with a guy from the same culture, these other differences would cause issues or be deal-breakers for the relationship.

    LL

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  18. Yes, exactly. And they end up blaming "Indian" guys.

    I just hope with your blogs the general misconception about Indian guys get cleared out with time. I get to hear we are "ghetto", but we are far better than other Asian communities. And once married to an Indian, ladies out there, you can be assured of a wonderful and financially secure family life.

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  19. SAGE,


    I think you need to look at your face in the mirror and try to tell yourself the truth -- you are fugly!

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  20. I saw this blog a year later ... wish I could comment earlier ... I am an Indian female ...
    @SAGE BIG BIG JOKE ..... I had an arranged marriage .... I have a good education and a job which pays more than my husband...apparently he was not able to handle it and our relationship ended with domestic violence ... he still does not think that DV is serious enough... no financial security always the demands of his parents.... its like he is married to his family...and irony he cannot stand ME taking care of MY parents....

    Now coming to dating ... after the separation ...I met this guy who was like in your description never married and no kids ... he gave all hints of a long term future and tried to be intimate but I pushed him saying that he'll have to wait another year till my divorce gets final and I have healed.... and then the true revealation came out that he was about to be married in 2 3 months and said it was because of his 'roots'.... I had a good time blasting him off for blaming his family for his own weakness and being a eunuch (incidentally I knew that his family was good enough)...he then said some B*** about crying a lot and meeting 'one last time' ....I refused at that time but could not stop chatting online which I later did stop ...

    A 100% truth is that India has advanced a lot and all this culture talk is B*** ...most parents are very liberal too ...

    And yes the reason Indian guys want an Indian girl (arranged) so that they can tell her for life how she's been her parent's choice and hence she has obligations for them but since he never loved her, he has nothing to do for her ...

    Preeti

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  21. I have been with a Indian guy for almost 9 years. I love him with all my heart and soul. He has always been so good to me and would do anything for me. He is my world. he told me I was his life and he loved me more than anyone and I would never have to worry about anything as long as he was alive. He got a call telling him he needed to go home because his mom was sick. Thats what he told me anyway. I got a email from him telling me that his parents wanted one of thier sons to get married and have a baby and none have done that. He said thats what took his dads life and he wanted his mom to be happy in her last days of her life. He then says day in and day out I am relizing I am a good son. I love you and I always will. I feel he was trying to tell me that he is a good son because he got married they way his mom wanted. he will not write me or anything I have wrote him over and over and I hear nothing from him. Its been over 2 weeks. I am so heart broken. I really and truly thought he loved me. He always said we would get married. How can he do this to me? i can take the pain. I dont know what to do.

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  22. It is very true. Indian men by and large are mama's boys and even if you can persuade the guy to marry you, look forward to visits from in-laws where his mom can basically criticize you on every occasion.
    And yes, the Indian men who do make it to the US are well educated and well off -hence their "high price"
    There are always exceptions ladies...but as an Indian woman from India who has dated Indian men...I can tell you that a majority of them are hopeless.

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  23. @broken heart... from Preeti
    my heart goes out to you.... your partner may be genuine but I assure yuou as an Indian girl who knows many Indian guys who break up with their girlfriends...this is exactly what they say... it has nothing to do with your race....one of my Indian girl friend is going through the same trauma...her boyfriend has still not married anyone yet but tells her that he will have to in order to not to "break his mother's heart" and that he will always love her... he will not forget her and blah blah which incidently is exactly what I heard from this other guy who wanted to get intimate with me....
    but- rest assured...all this family excuses no longer hold true in urban India and it nothing but an excuse.... try to accept that and you'll be happy ....guys in US are generally from enlightened families from India who dont pressure them for anything... well- yes they do want them to get married but no longer force them to marry a particular girl ... and thats a fact ... guys lie ...
    and also as xyz has written, if you somehow do end up convincing someone who tried to reject you, u have hell written in your future .... what will u do when in-laws stay with you 6months in a row, go back for a month and come back for another 6 months.... when your mother in law will try to treat you like a maid and portray you like a whore in front of relatives...and when your spineless husband will stand there and watch if you are lucky or join hands with your MIL if unlucky .... marriage is a BIG commitment- really think it through...sometimes one sided love is not enough to see it through....

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  24. Ok I am a 29 years old Indian male, let me tell you few things especially white women. Little bit about my background is i studied at famous IIT in India and Prestigious MIT in USA. Here is what i observe and want to share

    1. See understand in India, very fair skin is considered beauty in girl. Although i am of fair skin as per Indian standards but since i am boy, that is not point for either Indian girls or their parents

    2. Sex ratio is uneven in India. Indian women live like princess, entire burden of running family like a bull is on male, in this particular aspect i respect white women. Indians may say it is easy to get white women in bed since they are open but i think white women are more kind, generous, understanding, when they love they really love. Indian women on other hand are all about themselves, very greedy, the kind of beauty i am seeing in America, if Indian woman is even 20% of it, she will just be boss and princess for whole life.

    3. Indian women parents wants to look for settle boys, Best degrees, best companies, best income, proper homes, best cars and everything. And whosoever in world tells you i am wrong, tell them to first go and check facts, Indian women are most greedy on this earth. That is what i saw while working in Europe, studying and working in USA, born and brought up in india, and i did my undergrad from India.

    4.Now these clever Indian man also these days look for settle Indian girl. So it is working both ways, only problem is sex ratio is not equal. Girls are less in India in comparison to boys, out of that also, a beautiful girl is rare, out of that also girl with very fair colour is more difficult to find, so one needs to be exceptional to get her. Than girls father will ask you everything, will tell you to show paystubs so it is more like business deal. Indians talk crap, they brag marriages work their for ever, it is not true anymore. Earlier Indian women were submissive, now they are educated and make money, no difference then western woman, So divorcees are pretty high in major indian cities like Delhi, Mumbai, their values are eroding. Indian girls in US universities will sleep with everybody except indian.

    5. So Indian boys attract to white skin. Whole life they are deprived of sex in that country. Either one has to get it in form of paid sex, or cheat a girl which is very difficult, white girls are open minded and they take things at face value, So Indian guys want to sleep with them period. So don't waste time, yes they are intelligent, stable, family oriented etc but how will you adjust with their culture

    6. My example, i like a white woman while working in USA, i don't like Indian marriage market either, girls father have too many demands, but i am pure vegetarian, i hardly see any American girl to be vegetarian, than US girls want to remain free, i hardly see any marriage working in this country, ok my intention is to sleep with this white girl somehow but than i scared of her too. My morals don't allow me to say her anything to get her in bed somehow, i am spirtual and don't want to do bad deed. But i find her beautiful and i know Indian marriage is tough, i am yet to see any Indian girl who is even 5% generous or kind or understanding like white girl. Entire world says American women are profesisonal and materialistic, i say wait till you hear from Indian women, they are more greedy. Anyway other boys who are American are also after this white girl, so somehow i am struck, i want to get her in bed but don't know what to do, any suggestions.

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  25. What are values in this world? How can people say they have them when they break them all? What will God say to you when you stand at the Gate to enter into heaven. I am a white woman and I have values. They come from what I have learned in the Bible. I am a western girl and I am going to get married to an Indian man. We have everything in commen. It has nothing to do with race, color, or culture because anything that is put before me I will learn to deal with in a Godly manner. On the contrary to what is said there are highly valued people in both our countrys. Praise God.

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  26. I know this is a pretty much women discussing about indian men. I am an Indian male who was very much in love with an american girl and we got married against my parent's will. Then we finally realized it wasn't meant to be and we seperated and eventually divorced. I met a girl in India afterwards and we got so closely attached. I told her everything about my previous relationship but left out the married part because it was culturally unacceptable. Its been over 3 years now and we have gotten so close even though we are continents apart. Now the family has found out that I was previously married so its pretty much like a deal breaker. Lucky for me she is still interested in me and sees me in her future. Her mom sides with her. I am hoping I can work my trust with the rest of the family too. I am only stating this to say that not all Indians are like that but you have to understand the social pressures we face as a culture are very tough. Every person can be like the Indian males you guys keep talking about it, its not just Indians. Hopefully I would be embraced by this girl and her family despite my past marriage. Indian guys do get married for love against all social norms depends on how much they want to risk their social status.

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  27. anonymous,

    Sorry to hear your prior marriage with the American did not work out. This is a BIG risk of inter-cultural marriages. Considering that most marriages between two Americans with same backgrounds end in divorce, the chances of a marriage between an American and an Indian working well is very small indeed. Most women who comment on my blog after losing their Indian boyfriends don't realize how difficult things could be if the Indian guys did end up marrying them. IMO, the temporary loss of losing someone after a brief romance is less painful than the hassles of a failed marriage. Of course, I never condone cheating or leading on anybody.

    Good luck with your current Indian gf. It would have been much better if you had not hidden your prior marriage... at least not from the girl. I am always an advocate of being honest and upfront. Anyway, I hope things work out much better for you this time.
    All the best.

    LL

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  28. So glad i found this forum, ive been to hell and back with my indian boyfriend last 4 years, so wishy washy as one lady explained earlier always coming and going, i was so confused in my life but now its finally over, he left the country without as much as a goodbye and was missing for 3 weeks before i got a message from him via sms txt saying he in india got engaged and getting married in few days! So lost and heartbroken, i gave this man my everything, i loved him so completely and this is what i got back from him in return. Im Australian 40yr old female, divorced he was 7 years my junior but no one could ever see the age gap as i'm young 40. Where to go from here, how do u heal yourself after something like this? Feels like my whole world has been turned upside down. please give me your views and opinions im sure it will all help.

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  29. Dear Lucy,
    U will be fine. It takes a while to get over a lost and then u can move on. There r many fish in the sea.

    You can't blame the Indian men for one persons behavior, because these behaviors r in all countries. I lived in three of them and did research on many others.

    My Indian man has always respected me in everything. He has introduced me to his family and they are ok with us so far. Surely there r some merriages that last which involves a white woman and an Indian man? I miss him so much. He lives in India but I won't see him until May. Nothing like a long distance relationship. Don't tell me to stick to my kind, because my heart is in India. He says he has found a fairskin Indian girl in the USA. Don't tell me I'm fooling myself, because I'm in this relationship deeper then the bottomless pit.
    We have been together 6 months and have had live chats online the whole time on a daily basis but he moved to a new house and he doesn't have internet conections for a week but he still finds time to call me and emails me from his work. I know he really loves me and I love him with my whole self. So, It can't end up like all these sad post. You people need some positive vibes here its too sad. Hugs to all U sad woman. Don't give up.

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  30. In case ur wondering Fairskin Indian girl is me.lol

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  31. Wow...just..wow. I'm 26, born in New York to Indian parents; My dad came here to get his masters in 1974, yes, he got an arranged marriage - sort of in 1980. My mom's dad lived down the street from my dad's mom in a village and they knew each other and so on. While my mom is more traditional than my dad, culturally they are both very liberal and more or less as American as you can get being from India, but here for 30+ years.

    I moved to get my degree to Atlanta, dated a Jamaican girl for a long time, in my parent's mind I guess they may have thought I'd get over it and come back to the brown side ;). I have never dated or slept with an Indian girl...my friends joke and call me the whitest indian guy they know. I don't meet indian girls, and I'm dynamic, smart, musically inclined, sarcastic, snowboarder/drummer/dj/engineer...and I don't see myself cruising online dating websites to find an Indian girl.

    I;ve had an off an on relationships with a colombian girl for three or four years in the past too, however we were very good friends first, etc etc. I admit at one point I did think of how my "elders" will perceive this, but no stigma there is great enough for me to forget that this is about ME. In no circumstance would I forego marrying a girl I loved to knock up an Indian girl so my aunts and uncles and mom would be happy.

    I guess I am a-typical. I grew up in a NON-strict household and have found most Indians..girls and boys grew up in some pretty strict environs. These are the kids that get to college and sleep around and party etc, then settle down and go do what mom and dad want them to do. In addition, I've found many of the girls ..most even..to be brown versions of the jersey shore girl/Long Island JAP stereotype. Clothes, cars, buy this, buy that, "I like clubbing" , materialistic as all hell..the opposite of me.

    I also find MOST of their personalities to lack any depth whatsoever. This is a product of that strict household and not getting out enough. I have no interest in a woman who, when asked what her pastimes are, responds with "well, I like music and movies. All kinds of music."

    I also find that many Indian girls still do the traditional deal and live with their parents till they get married, no matter how "americanized" they are, having been born here. I'm sorry, this Indian boy is NOT dating a girl who is in her 20s and living with her mom and dad. I don't want to meet your dad by the third date, much less the first. Yea, I'm that Indian guy that will make it work, most likely not with an Indian girl (seeing as I've never even ventured there), and I'm the opposite of the ones you complain about. Let's not forget this passive submissive, do everything for the man and the man's parents sort of role the girls want..yes, even in 2008. Sorry for my tangent...

    On-topic..
    For you ladies who want this to work out long term, you really would need to find someone who is in his own element, independent, and most importantly..has parents he regularly stands up to and talks to. You guys are right, most of Indian guys are mama's boys..I love my mother, she raised me well and taught me how to cook indian food (which I use to woo women I want to date ;) ). I respect her, but I then ask that she respects that this is MY life. Sure, it will be awkward, in the extended fam of 200 peeps, I will be the black sheep. So what?

    The culture excuse the men give you really tells me that they are either spineless, or more likely..they are playing you for nookie. Or both...these dudes won't stand up to their parents and say this is my life and this is what I will do and this is the woman that complements me. Why? I cannot answer, as I am not one of these, and neither is my brother.

    Many of my cousins have done the "lead-on" thing. In college, it's almost ok, as we go on and lives continue and people change. In your 20s? That's ridiculous. You "play with white girls" till you find that Indian chick you want to marry to please mom? Nuts.

    I know of no infidelity or divorces in my large fam, but I tell you right now, those dudes that are screwing you women over by leading you on, making excuses...they are worthless people lacking character. This will go beyond just marriage, it will hit work, social interactions, child rearing. Watch out.

    Finally one more thing to watch out for...half of you women who said you loved an Indian guy and then he up and disappeared or broke it off to do his "traditional" (barf) jig, 100% certainly did NOT tell his parents about you. I am not sure what these dudes are afraid of. Honest. The only thing I could possibly think of is the "feeling" of being disowned by his parents and then written out of inheritances. Indians as a whole in america represent the wealthiest demographic. That would be shallow but fits the traditional, void, mindset.

    Again I am different and tell my mom and dad everything in conversation. Rather than obey my parents beck and call, I speak to them often because I find my dad to be the smartest dude I have ever met...big difference.

    In closing, there's nothing you can do if the guy you like is married to his family and afraid of standing up against the "Traditional culture" (we're all gonna be beige by our grandkids generation anyway, give it up!). I have no doubt however if you try to ask about any of this that some of the time you'll get BS - as mentioned above. Remember ladies, Indian men are not the only ones that lie to get laid.

    I assure you though that guys like me, and my handful of indian friends, who are proud of our heritage and traditions, with respect for family, but also able to make decisions on who we choose for long term, do exist. They are just far and few between....

    I doubt I'll be back to check this out, but feel free to email me, I am fascinated by this topic and love telling traditional backwards people to go pound sand.

    -VJ
    vijay.patel0@gmail.com

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  32. Hi, this is Sage, back again :)

    Awesome post by Vijay...prefectly true.

    Just FYI to all non-Indian ladies out there, I recently married a African-American from Brooklyn and she is the love of my life. My parents were sceptical at first but when I told them "She is the one and I am going to marry her" they agreed easily and were happy too. Even I was pleasantly surprised. And I am an Indian from India in US, with my parents still living there. I agree all parents are not like that, and being a Christian family helps (my wife is a Christian too), but I think if a guy really loves you he can be assertive with his parents.

    Besides, it did help when I told them she watches more Indian movies than me and does some awesome Bhangra too :P

    Wishing to best to everyone out there....

    - Sage

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  33. Nice posts guys but I would have to disagree with VJ and anyone who agrees with him. You have not lived the Indian life unless you were born to traditional parents in India. The social pressures that come with it are unparallelled when it comes to comparision with Indian immigrant parents outside India. It is very easy to say the indian men who don't stand up to their parents are spineless. To those who judge like that I say you have no clue.

    Consider this you want to stand up to your parents who have loved you for all your life for someone you just met a few years ago. Does that make any sense? If you think it does then maybe I am spineless but atleast I am not "selfish" like you are. Don't try to empathise with someone born to close minded parents in India because you don't understand. Just because they are close minded does not mean you should stand up against them.

    I have stood up against my parents and married who I thought was the love of my life to have a failed marriage within a year. How will I ever justify that to my parents who tried to persuade me out of it yet I thought they were being typical.

    Be sympathetic but don't be too quick to judge you have no clue unless you are in that person's shoes.

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  34. Disturbed

    I am of mixed british white and Caribbean East indian heritage. I'm 33 years old and a divorced single mother of two wonderful boys. i met the man of my dreams... he's a divorced father of one daughter and also from india, he's 29.

    We got together and started living together and that was the best for both of us and my two boys who he called his own and they called him daddy.
    It was perfect. I took him home to meet my hindu parents (he's kashmiri pundit), he asked my mother to marry me and she was awful to him, that's when he decided to call it off bcausehis ex wife was east indian caribbean and his inlaws treated him like crap. he had married her without telling his mother, but the mother accepted her.

    i teach East indian classical dance, am a devout hindu and am very much into the indian culture. Now all this contributed to our wonderful life, as i forsook my parents for him. we both discussed if his mother would accept me...he said yes, she would.

    we both made arrangements to move to england, where he got a job. i gave up everything...job, car, sold off all furniture, gave away clothes from boyh myself and the boys. he assured us he will marry me and that he loved us.

    its been one week that he's gone, we miss him like crazy. after a few days he started being afraid of telling his mother because of the mistake he made before...

    i am very close to a break down, he says he loves me buy is in limbo...how can he tell his mother he's marrying a woman who's older with 2 kids'... i told him she'd love me because i took care of you when u were at your lowest and now u are happy with me.

    i was supposed to fly to England to meet him 10 days after he left. I am at limbo because he sayshes's scared, then he says come over i am his destiny' I have been fsting and praying like crazy!!! Crying and trying to console the kids..


    CAn you please pray for me? I so love him and want to have our beautiful life continued...

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  35. People like Vijay Patel are bullshit, Ok Americans you don't understand Gujarati Culture, first of all in India also, Sindhis and Gujaratis are worse, very selfish. He can show guts to his parents because they raised him, loved him, and are helpless in old age, well they migrated from Gujarat out of poverty few years back to give good life to this stupid vijay patel, Now he is showing them he is a Man. Any mature person knows how many cultural differences exist. Hey vijay go and marry some white girl or from other culture, you are not fit for Indian girls either. Bullshit is what you are talking. To all ladies here, see Indian men are best, but can you get hold of that best and committed man i am not sure. I was studying with an Indian Man at Columbia University in Newyork( i am gorgeous white girl, a christian), very intellectual came from Punjabi family, i asked him one day if he will marry me, he asked me let me show you India, he showed me entire India, he told me about oldest civilization on earth, how Gujarati's and Sindhi's are more mean, what does sir name Patel mean and how can you judge by Patel, how can you judge by sharma, he told me about caste system, he told me fight between north and south Indians and i meet his parents, very loving family, well educated and did everything under sky for giving me best treatment in New Delhi, slowly i realized boy is right, how can he leave everything, he was not selfish, he showed me reality, he said well my life will revolve around my family, i will love you, i come back in evening to home, want to care for my family, i don't drink, i don't smoke, i am vegetarian, now how will you adjust with me in New york, i don't have plans to live in new york for ever. I was silent, i loved him and said i can move to Delhi, but he said , in India if people see white skin they will bother you day and night, i don't want to screw up your life. He said if point is just sleeping with you, i can get hooker in New york, why should i loose a friend for one night. We are still best friends, he climbed up in one of the world's best consulting company but finally married to a Hindu girl from his own Punjabi community, who came to New york with him. Such was manners of this boy that he could have married me and get green card but he struggled on work permit but married in his own culture to a veg girl. And i realized i was not prepare to leave alcohol, i don't want to come home daily and just cook for him, i want freedom, i wanted someone who can talk the way i wanted, i wanted wild sex, the boy was traditional, he was right, we white women want to remain free and Indian boys from India are no match to us. Some Indian boys who are born here, believe me my boy friend told me no one wants to marry them, he showed me how booming India is, no Indian girl wants to marry these American born Indians. So their are all sort of people in world, he was and is still my sweetest memory.Someone i wanted but he showed me why it won't work

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  36. Anonymous - For a person who claims to be an American lady, you seem to have totally bought into the Indian caste-based and ethnicity-based stereotypes and prejudices about Punjabis, Sindhis, Patels, etc. You seem to have a high opinion of Punjabis, based on one sensible Punjabi guy you happened to meet. Let me tell you something - there are bunch of Punjabi guys, from foreign countries like Canada, who go to villages in North India, get married to the poor village girls after collecting huge dowries from the girls' parents, and run away with the money, abandoning the girl, with whom they lived for a few days as husband and wife. These guys have done that to several girls and taken off with the money. Does this mean all Punjabis are bad? No. There are good and bad people among all ethnicities. Please keep that in mind.

    Apart from the prejudice you seem to have imbibed, the rest of your comment based on your personal experience is pretty sensible and spot on. In fact, your description of visiting India and experiencing for yourself how life with an Indian could be is extremely perceptive, and I hope it is of help to other readers of this blog. It was a very wise decision of your friend to take you to India and show you around.

    As for Mr Vijay Patel, he is one of those who would be called a coconut by less polite people - white on the inside, brown on the outside. "Whitest Indian guy", by his own description, seems to be trying hard to live the white lifestyle. If he's happy with it, more power to him. I do respect the opinions he has presented here of an Indian guy who has grown up in the US.

    But Vijay Patel does not understand the circumstances of other Indian guys, especially the ones who grew up in India and came to the US to study or work, with most of their families still based in India. It's fun and games as long as you are casually dating young Jamaicans and Colombians. But if Mr Vijay Patel somehow got mixed up with an older divorced white woman who already has a few kids from her earlier relationships and who now wants to get serious in life with an educated Indian guy (story of majority of non-Indian commenters on this blog post), I bet he wouldn't be too keen to share his entire life with her - love or no love. Also, he seems to be rather young right now. It will be interesting to hear his opinions if he is still single in his early 30s, after he has had a few serious relationships with non-Indians, that didn't work out because of inherent personal and cultural differences. I hope it doesn't turn out that way though for Vijay Patel. I wish him luck and happiness in his personal life.

    LL

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  37. i have read all of your comment since based from experience it is true, i am an asian woman coming from the philippines,since may country has also distinct traditon like close families ties and the value of marriage .. i personally never imagine myself falling inlove w/ a indian man..and i believe we are all humans and we cant control everything since he is foreign to me i,ve accepted every flaws.. we met 6 mons a go at work its like the first time we see each other is like a chance of chemistry, the feelings we have is so strong, indians are sweet in nature he knows that i dont trust him but instead he did everything just to give my trust.. i just got scared.. with so many reasons.. i believe he is open to love a foreign just like me.. since some ask him, if given a chance he might fall in love w/ a non indian girl he said "if they love each other then fight for it! " it gave me security, but still im tryin g to be careful, i love him his everything to me, he knows im ready to let go of him.. im willing to risk everything..

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  38. Hi, After reading all of this I thought I would share my story too. I am a white girl who fell madly in love with an Indian guy. I remember asking if my being white was a problem with his family. He always said no and that he had cousins who had married other races. His brother had an arranged marriage and I asked him if it would be expected of him one day. He said that he always had the choice and after the disaster that his brothers marriage has turned into he would never, ever do that. He always said that he couldn't stand anyone in his family except for his mom. He couldn't stand his father, but he would do anything for his mom. That he had thought about just completely leaving his family, but he couldn't live with himself if he left his mom.

    Just after we had been together for 2 years, he took a trip back home (not India, but I don't want to say where). Everything was fine for the first couple of weeks he was gone. After a couple of weeks he started acting really strange. When he came back he was distant and weird. He broke up with me shortly after he got back saying that his mom was sick and he could never leave her. She wouldn't leave his brothers house so if we got married I would have to live there with his entire family. He said he didn't feel it was fair to me to give up all the life dreams I had. I was heartbroken. A few months after we kind of started up our relationship again.

    After another few months, he broke it to me that he was moving back home. He said he had a great job opportunity and he felt if he went back his parents would follow and he would feel better about his mom living there. He cried as he said it was the most difficult decision of his life.

    The day he left he told me he loved me and I was one of the most important people in his life and that he would always be there for me. I kept hearing from him for a couple of months. Then all of the sudden he disappeared. This was a year ago.

    Just recently I found myself thinking of him and I did some searching. I found out he got married around the same time I last heard from him. He will not contact me and nobody who I can think of that would know where he is will respond either. I can only assume it was an arranged marriage. But since he won't contact me, I will probably never know the truth.

    I am so heartbroken right now. I think I always thought he would come back. He was my soulmate and I thought he was the one. It makes me physically ill when I think of him being married to someone else. Everyday I am in so much pain and I don't see any end to it.

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  39. Disturbed..

    Well i am in England with him now, my sons and i are living with him and now his mom has put his bio data on these marriagee websites and he's getting responses and they are interested. He has not told his mother yet about us, but wants her to come to England to meet me, rather just tell her on the phone or email. I have agreed to that. but it irks me that she has done that on those marriage sites!!! ugh!!!

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  40. Wondering What Went Wrong4/04/2009 06:19:00 PM

    I stumbled upon this post as I, an American white woman, am on the eve of ending my 4 year relationship with an Indian man.

    I am divorced and have a child. In the beginning, he told me he would never marry me because his parents would not accept me. At first, I was okay with this as I had experienced a failed marriage and understood. Afterall, I wasn't sure I wanted to get married again myself.

    Over time, however, he changed his mind. I also changed. We became very close and grew to love each other. Our relationship became almost marriage-like in our daily involvement with each other. We buy our groceries, do laundry, cook, pick up my daughter from school, and run errands together. We frequently share finances in that we purchase things together. He goes on all of my family vacations with my parents and my sister and her family. My child mistakenly calls him "Daddy" on many occasions and adores him like no other.

    Though he has never introduced me to any of his friends who live in the U.S. now, I know most of them anyway. They choose to pretend they don't know we are together; instead, they pretend that we are "just friends" -- preserving their own social needs, I guess.

    I have never laid eyes on a single family member of my boyfriend. I have been in the same town with them -- within a few kilometers of their home -- 7 times. (Yes, I travel to India extensively.)

    He broke the news about me to his parents 1.5 years ago while visiting India, and they wept. They ordered him to end it with me, but he did not. He said he could never leave me.

    Four months ago, we discussed a formal engagement to be married after all these years. Together, we picked out a ring. We began looking at venues and determining a budget and figuring out who could come from India and who could not. We started looking at houses to buy and getting our savings accounts shored up.

    He gave me a diamond engagement ring that is beautiful beyond words. It is engraved on the inside of the ring with the date and our initials. I wear it everyday and never take it off... But he did not propose with the gift of the ring. He had told his mother he was proposing to me on the phone a few days before, and she forbade it. So after all the planning, the purchase, and everything else, he gave me the ring anyway and asked me to be patient. The ring was a symbol of his commitment to me, he said.

    He speaks to his family on the phone weekly, begging for their acceptance of me. He has told them that he has met and stayed with my family (and has been welcomed; now, even accepted as an actual family member). He has explained that my child sees him as a father figure and loves him dearly.

    Still, they forbid. Still, he does not move forward with our marriage.

    My family members have all patiently waited, understanding that he would want his parents to approve. Supporting him. Talking to him on the phone. Extending their hearts and trying to maintain an open mind. (Let me just note that we are Christian, and my Indian boyfriend is also Christian as is his family in India.)

    It came to me with great clarity in the past several days that his family will never accept me, regardless of our commitment and his enmeshment with my own family. I realized that for them to accept me would be like me accepting an arranged marriage for my own daughter (something that I am violently against in my heart and mind).

    I am feeling exceptionally hurt, but now have some clarity about insurmountable inter-cultural issues. In my heart, I want my Indian man to stand up for himself and marry me regardless of his family's protest.

    I have learned the hard way, however, that it is never going to happen. I have to be the strong one and end it, because I know he won't.

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  41. WWWW,

    Is there a particular reason why you HAVE to get married soon, or else separate from your boyfriend?

    From your description of the situation, it looks like your bf genuinely loves you. If there is no specific urgency to get married, and if you are happy with the situation as it is now, why not continue this way? There are many people in the world who are not lucky enough to have genuine love. You seem to be lucky - stay in love and be happy.

    Without personally knowing your bf's family, I cannot say if they will never accept you. True, there are some families who never accept the partner chosen by their children. But there are others who accept when they see that their son/daughter will go ahead with his/her own decision and there is nothing they can do to stop it; some parents accept after a baby is born of the relationship, some parents accept years later when they are very old. So, it is not totally black and white.

    Again, unless you have some unavoidable reason to be accepted by his family, don't worry about it. Concentrate on making a happy and loving life with your bf. Eventually, your bf might decide to marry you, no matter what anybody says. Or eventually, the other people might give in.

    From your story, it just sounds like there is no reason to make hasty decisions right now.

    Good luck and I hope things work out well for you.

    LL

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  42. 1. Indian girls are most materialistic, see how they marry, it is all about them. Indian girls don't treat indian boys like even humans, whole life we work like servants for them. We carry so much of baggage, so much for what just to touch a nasty Indian girl, is it really needed.

    2. Indian boys are not getting advance, look at white guys, see their guts, you Indian guys will get on four to beg for sex, come on grow up, that is why India woman treat you like shit. Look how respectful they are towards white guys, women from entire world like White guys because they are real men, they can even tackle demanding white woman (although i find white woman to be generous and sophisticated who never can do bad with other humans), white mean know how to leave, have you seen them begging for sex.

    3. You need to have ivy league education, you need to be money making machine, horoscope should match, you need to work like bull for whole life to take care of Indian princess who won't do anything in whole life except being bossy, all this for what, to sleep with her. Come on grow up, see white boys, become mature

    4. Indian woman want X-Factor, compatibility, understanding, passion, romance, connection. It is poor country, are we not even out of basic necessities. while on one hand Indian women level has raised to 10, Indian mean are just at level 1. Indian women want best of western as well as Indian, Culture what is that about, no culture in India, Indian women want everything from west but why don't u work like western women, western women don't expect their men to be a bull who pays bill for entire life, western women won't ask his bank balance, she has heart to marry for life, look at your self Indian women, you are nothing but prostitutes, you want everything without giving anything, why don't expect Indian man to be loyal dog for whole life, Are white men loyal for whole life. Do white men pay endless bills and carry baggage for whole life. Indian women look for humor, a guy who is bull and has to work day and night to run family, sometimes he can't joke, Have some mercy on Indian boys and boys you should also grow up. You literally touch feet of woman for sex. that is your true condition. Indian women call you mama's boy but than what guys are suppose to do, kill their own parents (which 99% percent men in India are doing conceptually) and lick feet of girls parents (again which 99% men in India) do. I feel ashamed why even God created need of women when i see the habits of Indian women. They can offer nothing but only attitude.

    Disgusting Indian women, white woman are lot better than them. It is another story we can't get white women, they don't like us. Don't be hypocrites, at least except facts instead of abusing each other.

    If myself work in large bank in Newyork city, am making more than 150K, have education from ivy league schools, am smart, if i get even an uneducated white woman i will take care of her like princess for whole life, atleast i won't end up with some bossy, attitude driven Indian girl but my destiny because of my brown skin white woman don't give me chance, i want to tell them i am genuine, no chance but.

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  43. Please firstly I hate these marriage site where these middle class men and women find each other.Recently an indian friend of mine living in the states found his wife from this site.He went to India to see her .She claims it was love at first sight.They saw each other his parents had already seen her and approved her because she came from the same community also she was highly educated and she would get a job once she got married and joined her husband.But she only wants to work once they move back to India .My friend wanted to get married not because he wanted to get married but because he was 34 years old.So now she is here.I see this very fat girl with a charming face.I remembered he never liked fat girls and always makes fun of them.She is trying to change him and he is trying to change her.She doesnt know so many things about him and neither does he about her .He likes to drink have fun she on the other hand is over possesive and is obssessed about him.She keeps a check on him all the time.When we meet with his other friends we are scared to say anything incase we say something wrong about him and she might not like to hear.This isnt even an honest relationship.I am wondering when the honeymoon period is over and the so call love flies out of the window whats going to happen?Can this relation last and for how long.How long will he pretend to be someone he is not.So yes indian woman have to stop being to bossy and demanding and the same with the indian men.Why are these indian men marrying these kind of women who they cant be honest about themselves.He is scared she might complain to his parents about him or maybe tell her parents about him.Its like you are in a cage.Lets see what happens its only been 10 days since she is here.I just wanted to tell people, marry someone you can be honest and happy cause you have one life to live.Make your parents happy but at the end of the day you need to live with your spouses not them.All this crap about making parents happy and cant go against them then isnt sleeping with these innocent white girls going against your family.And after marrying these poor innocent indian girls who are not aware about their horrible husband.Most of these men get bored with their wives and start looking around again.INDIAN GUYS grow up.

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  44. I know many indian men who are none of these things and are good to their wives, and have a good life with their wives. This is simply rubbish.

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  45. HeartBrokenWhitey7/25/2009 03:38:00 PM

    Wow, I had no idea this blog existed. I just wanted to post a little bit of my story as well, maybe as a warning to not fall in love with an indian man? I dont know...
    I'm a non-indian female, and about 5 months ago I met the most wonderful man I had ever known. He was intelligent, very good looking, funny, he was the entire package to me. Apparently he felt the same because no more than one month after we met, he proposed marriage! I was so ecstatic that I had finally found someone who was just as crazy about me as I was him, and someone I got along with and had great chemistry with. We talked about having children, where we were going to live, he even claimed he was switching medical schools to be closer to me. He claimed he had custom made my wedding ring (he would even call and double-check that the size he was making was right), he even claimed to have bought me my dream car! (He did have a lot of money as a business owner, so it was possible). My entire life was about to change.. so I thought.
    One day he calls me on the phone and says he felt it were best we didnt see each other anymore. We had just returned from a vacation 2 weeks earlier and had a great time! I asked why, and he said well, I want to be with you..I dont know..let me call you back.
    Two entire months go by, no communication..not an email, not a text, nothing... until finally he sends me a text saying only the words "move on".
    My heart was torn out and stomped on. I had been proposed to two other times by different men, but this was the only one I had ever said yes to. The only one I pictured having children with! Even my father met him and said he was a "keeper".
    So ladies, I dont know what to say... even if he DOES claim he wants to marry you, I'm not sure you should believe it.

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  46. OMG I'm so glad I found this website. I think it finally opened my eyes. After reading these stories, I realize it is best to move on. Well I met an Indian guy & I really just wanted to have fun with him. He is the one that push the relationship on me. Finally I fell in love with him. Then he began to be so wishy-washy. We will have sex and then right after be like."I don't want be with you anymore." Then he will look for me. Now that I'm getting older, I realize it was going no where. I would ask him about the whole arranged marriages and stuff like that. His respond was, "who even has arranged marriages these days." I think reading these stories brought me to tears & realize how naive I was or been. He probably has a wife back home that he's been cheating on with me. Slowly I realize he was very arrogant. I guess the only thing that makes me furious is that he is the one who pursue more when I just wanted him for fun.

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  47. Live and learn - do not date within that nationality.

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  48. I'm sorry all you whities ran into the wrong Indian men.

    -AnIndianMan.

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  49. Because your own divorce rates are 50%within 7yrs & 80% after &you have no religion.

    &you throw your parents in nursing homes something we don't & our customs, diet, &religion r very different than yours. Hindu Indian moms fed their children evne while working every day fresh Indian vegetarian food...&your own men are deficient apparently from how they were raied (your atheistic upbringing) and the blood, sweat, tears from traditional &strict parents, well: it makes you feel like you conquered something cuz you are so deficient in values.

    respectable Catholics, Jewish, Christians don't go begging for foreign "men" only the pathetic ones who think Indian Hindus worship white skin, which they don't. they worship light tan skin.

    kids of multi religious multi cultural families grow up literally confused in their cultural/religious identity. y aren't you begging for Mexican men?or AFrican men? or Chinese?? y us? because we are the same exact as the respectable Protestants Catholics Christians,Jewish you're an empty golddigger! &so what if I love Mexican food, it doesn't mean I have to conquer the Mexican men and marry them doesn't it?

    oh wait Christopher Columbus murdered 100 million S. Americans, British gave 1/3 of our land to your Abrahamic Muslim friends, took all of our diamonds, wealth, rubies, gold India's gdp was 25% of world before Uk came & 3% after! filthy! You age 5x faster than INdian HIndu women!

    see anvari.org stars without makeup
    see twenty celebrities that have aged miserably in Google (see Popcrunch link)

    see in the same site celebrity nipples! IndianHindu women raise their children with 10x more strictness, traditions, and reverence for the religion & family! your kids are raised on turkey, beef, chicken, ham, sex, & horror! and 25 movies in a row of nudity even comedies and dramas while Bollywood and 90% of Hindu women are modest and have their prayer rooms!

    go find a MExican Christian! you have more in common!! & we are only 1% of population! and thouands of our families CHOOSE TO MARRY THEIR OWN SO THEY DON'T BREED CONFUSED CULTURE AND RELIGION ROBBING atheists/mutts not because we are FORCED TO MARRY OUR OWN! YOUR GERMAN CATHOLIC MEN DIDN'T FORCE THEMSELVES ON THEIR GERMAN OR FRENCH CATHOLIC WIVES NOR BEG FOR MEXICAN WIVES!

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  50. Because your own divorce rates are 50%within 7yrs & 80% after &you have no religion.

    &you throw your parents in nursing homes something we don't & our customs, diet, &religion r very different than yours. Hindu Indian moms fed their children evne while working every day fresh Indian vegetarian food...&your own men are deficient apparently from how they were raied (your atheistic upbringing) and the blood, sweat, tears from traditional &strict parents, well: it makes you feel like you conquered something cuz you are so deficient in values.

    respectable Catholics, Jewish, Christians don't go begging for foreign "men" only the pathetic ones who think Indian Hindus worship white skin, which they don't. they worship light tan skin.

    kids of multi religious multi cultural families grow up literally confused in their cultural/religious identity. y aren't you begging for Mexican men?or AFrican men? or Chinese?? y us? because we are the same exact as the respectable Protestants Catholics Christians,Jewish you're an empty golddigger! &so what if I love Mexican food, it doesn't mean I have to conquer the Mexican men and marry them doesn't it?

    oh wait Christopher Columbus murdered 100 million S. Americans, British gave 1/3 of our land to your Abrahamic Muslim friends, took all of our diamonds, wealth, rubies, gold India's gdp was 25% of world before Uk came & 3% after! filthy! You age 5x faster than INdian HIndu women!

    see anvari.org stars without makeup
    see twenty celebrities that have aged miserably in Google (see Popcrunch link)

    see in the same site celebrity nipples! IndianHindu women raise their children with 10x more strictness, traditions, and reverence for the religion & family! your kids are raised on turkey, beef, chicken, ham, sex, & horror! and 25 movies in a row of nudity even comedies and dramas while Bollywood and 90% of Hindu women are modest and have their prayer rooms!

    go find a MExican Christian! you have more in common!! & we are only 1% of population! and thouands of our families CHOOSE TO MARRY THEIR OWN SO THEY DON'T BREED CONFUSED CULTURE AND RELIGION ROBBING atheists/mutts not because we are FORCED TO MARRY OUR OWN! YOUR GERMAN CATHOLIC MEN DIDN'T FORCE THEMSELVES ON THEIR GERMAN OR FRENCH CATHOLIC WIVES NOR BEG FOR MEXICAN WIVES!

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  51. &since we don't throw our parents in nursing home, we actually live with them thru old age or allow them to live with us! and our Grandmothers in India fed fresh made rotis to the cows! you have no reverence for anything but your conquering and meat and horror and porn and sex! if you were raised by two religious parents you ould not have been on this forum desperate for a Chinese or Mexican man!!

    http://www.ashastd.org/learn/learn_statistics.cfm

    http://www.healthwellness1.com/genitalwarts/genital_warts_statistics.php

    &we know of 7-8 families where it was foreign (out of thousands here who chose wholeheartedly to marry their own Indian Hindu bride) and every family where it was Indian male with white or Korean wife, the kids have his skin tone! when it is white man with Indian kids, the kids have his skin tone!

    &the only ones that worked out for the kids (well adjusted and happy) are were the foreign husband or wife took the kids to temple constantly, prayer room in home as we have, aartis as our Mom had, heavy involvement with Hindu community, Indian food every day...your respectable Christian families have their own respectable traditions....though for them deer hunting is family past time and eating tons of meat daily. Every community is different &prefers their own for obvious reasons.

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  52. Sorry if I came off upset...but I do not see forums of white women desperate to marry Chinese or Mexican or Jewish men &it's upsetting

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  53. I'm indigenous-mixed race & not desperate for an Indian man. I like the culture, food (YES!), rich history, political struggle against the imperialist invaders (Brits) and the people. I accept it’s easier for cultures to marry into the same b/c it saves stress. I know 1st hand being that I'm the product of generations of mixed marriages on both sides.

    So I was surprised to find Indian men actively pursuing me. I did not want nor ask it. In fact I'm divorced and off men. I have Indian women friends but remain wary of men per see. Now upon reading these blogs, I appreciate what Mr Rolling Stone was really after - to use me! His sexual harassment was not a cross-cultural miscommunication after all. If a woman was polite then he assumed she was gagging for him! Ugh! http://theartofbeingfeminine.blogspot.com/2009/03/signs-that-man-is-using-you.html

    Rolling-stone harassed me constantly b/c he only wanted someone convenient to use while he dated white potential brides. He was an Indian who was brainwashed into believing the superiority of the white race. There has to be a degree of self-loathing in him for that. Not surprising no Indian woman wants him either. Besides he has nothing to offer and expects the girl to provide everything and to look after him, clean up and carry for him like his mother. Talk about mommy’s boy! He wants what is described as, ‘damned whores and Gods police’, Mary Magdalene & Mother Theresa. Such are his double standards he expects slave in the house, whore in the bedroom and a steady supply of material security. Little wonder no Indian girl wants him! Thank God for Indian women!

    He is a qualified teacher with four degrees yet remains a permanent student. The fly-by-nighter has no wife, children, family, fixed abode, property, major belongings or permanent employment here. He doesn't drive let alone own a vehicle. He’s on the phone every day for about an hour to ‘Mom’. Goodness gracious the man is 42 & still has to consult his mommy!?!?! Why bother to leave home and immigrate ½ way round the world if all he wants is his mommy?

    But I digress;
    I didn't understand why Indian men would marry non-Indian women any more than I understood why my grand parents/parents were mixed. But there are always exceptions to the rule and so I have 1/2-caste native-Indian nephews & nieces. Of course they were raised in our native culture and their families very happy. So it can & does work, lest you become too disheartened. Hard but can work w/ the right people.

    But it takes a lot of give & take, compromise, honesty, sacrifice, working through (etc) and can succeed if both parties are willing, open and mature enough to work at it. I understand from this blog that it may not be so easy in India though.

    I had a lovely attractive Cook Is Aunt whose hubby was a handsome Indian (not those ugly vain spoiled mothers boy types w/ nothing else besides their egos) but an honest hard worker and well-rounded travelled man who supported his wife and family. In other words he was a grown up, he had balls! My female cousins are very beautiful, the male cousins handsome 1/2 caste Pacific Islander/Indian.

    Just b/c cross cultural r/ships struggle & some fail, doesn't mean they wont work. They do. It’s not always an easy ride all the same but do-able. Where there's a will there's a way.


    Mixed marriages are not w/out their problems but can be worked through if both parties are committed. It helps if there’s a lot of support too, from community, families and friends.
    http://theartofbeingfeminine.blogspot.com/2009/03/signs-that-man-is-using-you.html

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  54. Strong Girl

    I am a mexican american girl that was once involved with an indian guy. I can honestly say from experience to choose your friends carefully. The indian guy that I befriended was typical and he used me for his own advantage. Think long and hard as to if you will be willing to stay friends with them, even though they will get married (though not to you)! I couldn't pretend to be his friend after he got engaged to an indian girl. He was a good guy, but don't be fooled by indians. They know when they have you wrapped around their finger. Its up to you to let go and prove them wrong. I definitely have lived and learned from this bad experience.:)

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  55. wow, i'm amazed by this discussion. i never specifically sought an indian man; i just happened to start dating one earlier this year. i have dated men of various ethnicities as i was raised to keep an open mind and not judge others by their color or nationality. he is indian living in the us. he is kind, considerate, communicative, honest, takes care of himself and his home, cooks, and so much more. we talk on the phone, text, email, spend as much time together as our busy schedules allow. we are not sleeping together. yet he won't move past the casual dating phase. he was engaged before and was hurt deeply. i always thought that was why. but now i'm curious if it's something more...

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  56. I am a white woman - almost 40 eeek lol I have a son who will be 18 in a month. I have raised him myself and have worked hard all these years. I got married about 6 years ago - and am now divorced. my ex is american and i got completely fooled. shortly after - within months! - of getting married he started drinking and taking drugs. I promise i am not that hard to live with.. lol

    years ago i met an indian man via email - lets just say it was before myspace etc. some days i just feel old.. hahah.. at anyrate i had plans to go and visit him in india meet his family etc when suddenly he wanted to marry me. i was caught off guard big time. this had never entered my mind, and i cut it off with him. i do still remember him well and wonder sometimes what kind of woman he married and how his life has been.

    I live in the southern usa and ever since i was a teenager i have been attracted to dark skinned, dark eyed men. i have known a few indian men who were married in the businesses i have worked in. i have found all of them to be respectful, generous to a fault and completely devoted to family. i have also met a few that fit the "stereotype" it seems americans have of indian men. ugly, stinky, sex crazed, arrogant, yadda yadda yadda. ppfffttt... whatever. they come in all shapes sized and colors if you know what i mean.

    i would love to meet a nice indian man. i have a strong family value, close family and would love to be devoted to a man who would cherish me. American men, i have found to be closed and unemotional - unless they were gay ... lol Indian men i have known are passionate, emotional, expressive - you always know what is bothering them, and i appreciate that kind of honesty.

    i have read these posts and have become quite educated about many things, however one thing i have seen. Indian men do the same things american men do. and american men do the same things indian men do. some are jerks, selfish etc. some are devoted and long for a love that is worth singing about.

    i have a deep appreciation for culture and huge respect for differences. for any relationship to work it takes compromise. even if the only difference is a yankee and a rebel to make things work the cultural differences have to be respected.

    i am not a gold digging american woman. i have my own home, my own money etc.. i would love for a man to take care of me but i dont HAVE to have it. i work hard and expect the same..

    omg i just realized i sound like i am advertising on a dating site.. hahaha

    i dont mean to. i am not scoping for a date, husband, lover or whatever. so i appoligize if it sounds this way.

    just remember ladies - shit happens. relationships fail for all kinds of reasons. men AND women lie all the time. men AND women make decisions about what they want in life based on what will make them the most happy. I cannot fault any man for going back to what is comfortable in india with family and tradition. and i cannot fault the women they leave behind for feeling abandoned and betrayed. it happens in all cultures and all countries.

    Ladies there are men out there who will love us the way we deserve to be loved. I was recently told by an indian man that i deserved to be kept like a delicate flower. yes - i melted... and no it will never work. he is younger than me by 6 years and his family is looking to engage him to a girl while he is away working. i cannot compete with that. but .. damn it was nice hearing someone say the things he said, and if there was a way... wow is all i can say.

    hang in there girls - we are not destined to be the "crazy cat lady down the street" tho... part of me thinks that might be fun.. hahahaha

    and indian men - those of you who come from families that would allow a marriage with an american woman. we are out there - i promise.

    i wish everyone here all the best - if you want to contact me for any reason feel free

    bluemantid@yahoo.com


    much love to all of you !! and good luck in all your love relationships

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  57. I wasted 5 years of my life with an Indian. He wanted to marry me but after a lot of effort and with some tricks and theater his mother dissuaded him and engaged him to an Indian whom he later on married. I feel terrible for wasting my life and so many other opportunities. I am white, very well educated. When this happened it was so unexpected that I was shocked. I completely trusted him. I gained huge amounts of weight from the stress. I took me a couple of years at least to become able to think of another relationship. These people are criminals.

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  58. I forgot something. The guy started telling me at some point that I should cook and clean and take care of the house. He is a very messy person and considered it to be inappropriate for him to do ANYTHING at home. He told me that he didn't care about my career but about me doing my female duties. And this despite me holding three university degrees from prestigious schools. At the end, when he broke up he did it in a very rude manner. He told me things like that I had a big frame, etc. And then he just completely stopped communicating and never called me or answered any chat or email. Nothing. It's been 4 years. I think that these people are robots.

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  59. "Vijay Patel is bullshit"...very mature. I leave my email address yet somehow you forget to leave yours. Andrea and I are very happy..please..continue to induldge in this fantasy that others satisfaction and happiness is tantamount to you rown.

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  60. im a 52 year old white woman and met younger indian guy on website,he said stright away he wanted to get married(he lives in pakisan) i said i would not go there ,and he said he would come here for 6 months all i want to know has anyone else been prpositioned in this way and has it ever worked out? linda is my name.by the way the guy is only 26.

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  61. I am an Indian male and my parents and sister hate the fact that I love a white woman, this lady has been nothing but nice to me, she has helped me regain my health, she has helped me monetarily and she continues to inspire and motivate me.

    She did not realize the hatred that my parents have for her. My parents want me to have nothing to do with her, dump her cold and have an arranged marriage with a "nice Indian woman"

    I was naive enough to believe that if I told my parents that she was nice, they'd accept her. My praise of her only led to venom issuing from their minds.

    I realized that according to my parents white women were only good for casual dating sex and as acquaintances.

    I decided to break free from my parents, leave them and lead my life with the woman I love.

    I realize that my parents and sister are racist in the extreme.

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    1. I'm so glad you've pointed this racist stuff, I've been treated very badly by Indian parents, call white *** by his friends. Unfortunately my bf after 2 months of begging, went back home and agreed to an arranged marriage, we had 5yr old relationship and I was also on his bedside while he was seriously sick..So pleased that one Indian guy sees the reality...good luck in your marriage

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  62. @linda
    well he is pakistani he aint an Indian and he is just messing around i guess but dont mix pakistani with Indian they are very different in nature and culture

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  63. well i been living in canada for around 2 years and i came to this blog and the very next day they asked my friend what they think of marrying a white girl

    ( and my friends come from good family and caste so we guys never had Gf back in India and the parents who send their sons to the western countries are pretty open minded i mean they would not agree to marry a white girl in the beginning but if the sons forces too much they will allow him )

    so they say that they will never marry a white girl and the only reason they are worried about and there is myth among indians too that, Indian girls can adjust and take any crap and there is very low chances of divorce but when it comes to a white women they will never take any crap and they will end up leaving them

    And once we are divorced its not like we can just hop back to our normal life after few month, we are totally screwed for life i mean we have a lot of relatives and show our faces to the society

    And ya if any white women is divorced and she has a kids and the Indian guy is single and never married then there is 98% of chance that he just looking for good time

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    1. "i mean they would not agree to marry a white girl in the beginning but if the sons forces too much they will allow him" yes if parents are well educated...unfortunately some guys won't tell us their parents are not so open minded and educated :(

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  64. well too much negativity about indian men here i guess

    well i know few benefits of marrying a indian men that i came through on a website

    10. They come in a family pack. You get a mother, a father, a few sisters-in-law, half dozen cousins, and countless relatives for free
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    9. They would never leave you. They get fat and lazy too fast and no woman will ever be interested in them.

    8. You will never get tired of hubby improvement projects. They come with countless imperfections and guaranteed to be really slow learners.

    7. Despite their crude exterior and rude attitude, they are docile at heart. They are well trained by their mother to follow orders from woman of the house. You are in control.

    6. They would be grateful all their lives; all other 37 girls they interviewed turned them down.

    5. They will be available all the time. They do not have any friends or social life or passion to keep them busy.

    4. You never have to worry about their past girlfriends: most likely they never had one, or in the rare case they had a girlfriend, she is too busy erasing the memory.

    3. You will earn the sympathy of everyone, even your worst enemy.

    2. They will stop harassing you once you marry them.

    And number one reason for marrying an Indian man

    1. For the rest of your life whenever you say “I could have done better,” you will be right

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  65. Of course they prefer to marry indian.we wont slave for then while they go out and cheat on us lol. duhhh who wants a little u know what spolied.mommys boy? Not I.

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  66. Hi all,
    All are our thoughts depending upon our experiences. Generally, Indian guy are lovable, truthful, caring persons in their family. Even they marry a girl without his willing, after marriage he moved to love his wife. Some persons make mistakes. Its negligible one. We consider the maximum.
    OK.
    I am also an Indian man. My lifetime ambition is to marry a foreign lady and settle where she likes. If anybody a truthful girl is there for me, pls mail me to : indianschools2010@gmail.com.

    I am a graphic designer, DTP artist (typesetter), Teacher of maths. I am honest, truthful, lovable, caring, social worker. I am helping so many poor people here as much as I can. I love Internet, books, TV, badminton, social work, students, children very much. Also I like to friendship with ladies. But still its impossible to me because of my shy type. OK. If any genuine girl like to contact me pls mail me. Thank you...

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  67. This is a good forum..... Male 39 from India. and Still Single! any body interested for a life long relationship I mean (be my wife)
    the email add is 'krajeshsr@gmail.com

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  68. To Kannan and Raj,
    hang in there guys! I am a 42 year old woman who has just discovered the beauty of being with an Indian man. Us white women are a little slow lol first we date and marry men of our own and get burned severely,to the point where I haven't seen anyone for 3 years. I met my Indian Spice at work, he kept asking me out I kept saying no, I was so over being used,dumped and hurt. Finally I thought, what do I have to lose. We disccussed this the other night and I told him I nearly missed out big time! Although he is 11 years my junior and I have 2 adult children and a grandchild, none of this deterred him. He is so kind, sweet, gentle and thoughtful. Everytime we see each other he brings me little gifts, something I find hard to get used to.He tells me he loves me and If I am having a problem and I don't want to talk about it, he drags it out of me, offers solutions and consoles me. He is so affectionate,he holds me and kisses me every chance he gets, he asked me about kissing in public and asked me to do so, which I happily obliged! I am treading very carefully,aware of the cultural differences,what is expected of him in relation to marriage. He is going back to India at the end of this month,he tells me for 2 months as he feels obliged to, I tell him his parents must have a bride for him, he tells me no way! I hope he returns to me,as he has said he will,and I will wait,as I don't want to lose the best man I have ever met,but I am not holding my breath,thanks to all the other white men that have lied to me,cheated on me and burned me,before him...

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  69. I'm an Indian man and I would NEVER marry outside my race. Indian women become successful doctors and lawyers - despite being women and being brown. They're true fighters. I would marry non other than my Indian princess.

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